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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Daniel Scheinert and Daniel Kwan in 2016
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How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

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  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
  6. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways:

  • For simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section.
  • For more complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent, that should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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March 17[edit]

March 17, 2023 (2023-03-17) (Friday)

Ongoing: World Baseball Classic[edit]

Article: 2023 World Baseball Classic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 2600:1700:31BA:9410:9CE6:94D8:E140:7B1E (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The tournament is ITN/R but doesn't need to be ongoing. We'll have the article ready to post after the final game concludes on Tuesday. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ongoing: 2023 French pension reform strikes[edit]

Article: 2023 French pension reform strikes (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

 ~ Rushtheeditor (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose Not enough substantial editing activity to be ongoing NoahTalk 00:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Speedy SNOW close Article is on the verge of being a stub, and also has 11 edits in the past week on it. This is not Ongoing worthy. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    How does this meet the criteria for WP:SPEEDY and WP:SNOW? Just because an article is a stub doesn't mean that it can't be posted, and whose to say that there won't be an uptick in edit activity? Additionally, you can't invoke the snowball clause for only two opposes. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We dont post things to ongoing on the chance that there will be an uptick in editing activity. That is getting into WP:CRYSTAL territory there. A blurb would be more appropriate as Masem has said below once the article is updated enough. NoahTalk 02:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Probably this should be first improved but brought as a blurb - the decision by Macron to push through the retirement age bill today is causing a newfound round of protests, which have been covered by the news (they ahve been a million strong at times). --Masem (t) 01:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait per @Masem. Crusader1096 (message) 02:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 16[edit]

March 16, 2023 (2023-03-16) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

March 15[edit]

March 15, 2023 (2023-03-15) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

2023 Turkish floods[edit]

Article: 2023 Turkish floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Turkey killed at least 15, caused extensive damage, and left many missing in the same regions affected by the deadly earthquake. (Post)
News source(s): Daily Sabah, Al Jazeera, Bloomberg
Credits:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose on quality Article is still far too short/sparse on details for ITN. The Kip (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready. Article still needs a lot of work. Vida0007 (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support upon expansion - currently not enough information on the actual flood itself outside of the lead. Also, both of the computers I use in a string of bad luck are or will be broken so I'm currently on mobile and thus can't fully tell, but the article seems to be a little short. Crusader1096 (message) 23:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Antje Vollmer[edit]

Article: Antje Vollmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician, Green party. Vice president of the Bundestag. Grimes2 (talk) 11:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait. She deserves more nuance, also awards, but I'm too tired. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) GPT-4 releases[edit]

(NON-ADMIN CLOSURE)
Do not see consensus developing for us to post this one. The technology itself looks breathtaking and will surely impact all of us in some form or the other. If you want to see how it will impact some of our articles, join the discussion at WP:LLM. Closing this one. Ktin (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: GPT-4 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ OpenAI releases GPT-4, a generative AI, to the public (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ GPT-4, the successor to GPT-3 (ChatGPT), releases to the public
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-64959346
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Very unorthodox nomination, but this is (in my opinion) a HUGELY relevant event. It is In The News, sending shockwaves throughout the internet and tech world, and is a groundbreaking innovation in Artificial Intelligence, a technology that will probably come to define this era. This is truly a breakthrough, and (in my opinion) qualifies for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — No worldwide significance. Product releases aren't suitable for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Why not? This is already having a gigantic impact. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose: The BBC article shows it suggesting you can make omelettes with flour. GPT's "humor" aside, it's just another chatbot. RAN1 (talk) 17:46, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Just another example of why Searle's Chinese room argument is so sound, and of no wider significance. Main page is not for advertising. Courcelles (talk) 17:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Companies doing company things. Not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per all of the above, - User:Editor 5426387 (talk), 18:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Tech news today. I don't believe we announced the other AIs. Maybe when it turns into Skynet (of course by then though...) CoatCheck (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - This is not an advertising ticker. We shouldn't overstep WP:CRYSTAL in foretelling the impact of this product. And it's not AI: it's just a statistical large data model with no self-awareness. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The original ChatGPT had made such a shockwave, I feel, that any new additions won't top when it first showed up. I could be wrong on that, after all I don't pay very much attention to the tech world, but even then, I still oppose for the reasons brought up previously as well. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose its just a new product, how is this ITN-worthy? It's just another service from OpenAI, nothing special. TomMasterRealTALK 19:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Neater than a new camera phone, but still, ten against one. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - i do feel like people are missing the point a bit. It isn't just some "new product". From what's been told, this new AI version is MUCH stronger than its predecessor by over a quadrillion times. Yet, what makes me oppose this is that it's not that great. It's a major improvement from its previous but it's still not blurbable imo. I would possibly support the blurbing of a hypothetical GPT-5 depending on how good it is but GPT-4 just isn't good enough. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Where did you get "a quadrillion times stronger" from? The originally rumored figure was that it had about 570 times more parameters (from 175 billion to 100 trillion), and even that was deemed an exaggeration by OpenAI. Ionmars10 (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cyclone Yaku[edit]

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Article: Cyclone Yaku (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaku causes widespread destruction in Ecuador and Peru, resulting in at least six deaths. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Yaku causes widespread destruction in Ecuador and Peru, resulting in at least six deaths and leaving thousands homeless.
News source(s): Bloomberg, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Very unusual weather phenomenon for the region that is causing widespread destruction in Peru. Death toll is expected to increase. WMrapids (talk) 03:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose The sources say this has killed six to eight people, not at least 60. About that many have died in the rainy season. Unless I'm missing something (I read Spanish poorly). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I oppose since we don't know what the hell has actually happened due to conflicting sources (multiple Spanish sources say 58-60 deaths for the storm and some say 6). Collapsed further discussion under InedibleHulk's oppose due to its size and it's now straying off the topic of the storm itself. NoahTalk 22:31, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sources do indeed mention 58 and 3 deaths. I have put a ton of sources on the TP for expansion but sadly it seems nobody wants to help out the article. Cyclone activity is rare in Peru as sources cited it being the first such event since 1997–98.NoahTalk 09:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Most of those are in Spanish, which I don't read well enough to know. The English ones in your list put the toll at around six, one adding Later, INDECI said 58 people had been killed since the start of the rainy season, which began some months ago. It did not provide a specific time frame for the casualties. Can you share one English source here for "at least 60"? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No, because I can only find 3 major English sources (including the two above) discussing it in detail and they all published similar information. [1] title translates directly as "Peru underwater. Cyclone Yaku: 60 dead and 15,000 homeless without response from the Boluarte coup government". My guess is that official sources aren't differentiating the deaths because Yaku was simply worsening existing rain/flood problems and wasn't the only factor in the recent rains. NoahTalk 20:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You'll understand if I trust the story shared by the staff of Reuters, DW and Bloomberg over a post by someone whose username translates to "fight kings". InedibleHulk (talk) 21:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's not their username but rather their actual name, which is Lucha Reyes. A lot of Spanish names translate to words in English. If you trust the English sources only on these storms, then articles won't go anywhere because they don't provide adequate information. NoahTalk 21:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nobody's real name is Lucha Reyes. The English sources we've always trusted, unlike La Izquierda Diario, do provide adequate information. They mention the six dead INDECI blames on the cyclone and the 58 it says have died since Decemberish. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Lucha Reyes (Peruvian singer) exists... last name actually was Reyes and her common name was Lucha. Her professional partner's first name translates to pity in English. Not hard to believe someone actually being named Lucha. Articles would be absolute shit if not for local language sources because English sources do not provide in-depth coverage of the impact but rather a summary. NoahTalk 21:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As you say, only her last name was Reyes. Same deal with Lucha Reyes (Mexican singer), Lucha Villa or Hurricane Helms. It's fine for entertainers to take stage names, but when a supposed reporter for a socialist opinion website does it, that's pretty fugazi. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oppose since we don't know what the hell has actually happened due to conflicting sources (multiple Spanish sources say 58-60 deaths for the storm and some say 6). Not going to bother arguing with you anymore since it's just talking to a wall. I already mentioned quite a few names in Spanish translate to words in English. If you want to biased against Spanish sources due to the name of the reporter, so be it. NoahTalk 21:49, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm not Jerry Tuite, so no Wall or Malice intended. I appreciate that some real Spanish names (like Reyes) do translate to English words. But "Lucha" is not one of them and searching Wikipedia for an example to the contrary is fruitless. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    How do you know that Lucha isn't a real name? What evidence do you have of that? NoahTalk 21:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's more a lack of evidence, despite searching Wikipedia, combined with a knowledge of many lucha libre stage names, such as Luchasaurus. What I trust less about Lucha Reyes' "diary" than its language is that it's a socialist opinion site, not hard news. Plus, multiple actual and reputable newswires have contradicted his or her claim. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Quite a few newspapers in Central and South America are affiliated with either the state or a political party. That simply comes with the territory. I haven't thoroughly vetted that source, but that has to be done before declaring it entirely unreliable as there are state/political party-affiliated sources that have been deemed reliable in the past for other countries for various articles across Wikipedia. For example, every Chinese news source would be considered unreliable since they are state-affiliated, but that isn't the case. It is decided on a case-by-case basis and sometimes takes hours of searching for an individual source. Given that multiple Spanish sources have stated 60, maybe there was simply confusion on their part. That does happen from time to time in English news reporting, especially when multiple figures are coming out in short order. Reuters had to issue a correction for Freddy's death toll in Malawi today. NoahTalk 22:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm far from smart when it comes to politics in Argentina, but it seems that state now runs on Kirchnerism, not Trotskyism. So it's not like China Daily or People's Daily as the mouthpiece for Communism in China. It's the "alternative media", in Americanist terms (as "fight kings" might suggest). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs expansion This is a highly unusal event but the article needs a significant expansion to make it into ITN. MarioJump83 (talk) 13:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I provided the tools at Talk:Cyclone Yaku#Impact Sources for those who want to. NoahTalk 14:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @MarioJump83:Should be decently expanded now.--WMrapids (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm supporting this now. Once again, this is an unusual disaster. MarioJump83 (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Unusual disaster with a decent amount of deaths. The article is in okay shape now but could always use more expansion. NoahTalk 16:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Meets impact standards, and on top of that this event should be one that readers are particularly curious about. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Giving the article a bit of a skim, might have missed some stuff I'm unaware of, but meets notability standards IMO, it's rare for hurricanes to hit Ecuador and Peru. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support 60 deaths, unusual event, and the impacts section has beeb expanded (particularly for Peru)! Tails Wx 21:37, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That 60 deaths part is a misunderstanding, but the rest seems true. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yeah, Reuters explains it as well. Later, INDECI said 58 people had been killed since the start of the rainy season... only 6 have occurred, and the other 58 are from the other events of the rainy season! Tails Wx 22:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 14[edit]

March 14, 2023 (2023-03-14) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

International relations

Science and technology

US drone downed in the Black Sea[edit]

Article: 2023 Black Sea drone incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An American MQ-9 Reaper drone is downed in the Black Sea by Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighter jets (Post)
News source(s): See article
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Kind of surprised we don't have a nomination for this. "First direct contact between the Russian and United States Air Forces since the Cold War", per the article. Blurb might need improvement, since the facts are disputed. Banedon (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Covered by the Ukraine ongoing for all purposes. It hasn't really tripped the relationship between the US and Russia that's already not stressed by the Ukraine war. --Masem (t) 02:10, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think it's covered by Ongoing, just loosely connected. But I also know we still don't know much and that nobody died in this downing/crash/whatever. We don't mourn robots here, and shouldn't always anticipate doom. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bobby Caldwell[edit]

Article: Bobby Caldwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died yesterday but death was only announced today; saw no {cn} tags but there is still no section about his death yet. Vida0007 (talk) 15:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Film soundtracks and Japanese audience sections do not contain any sources. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Article orange tagged for lacking sources. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: Cyclone Freddy[edit]

Article: Cyclone Freddy (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Catastrophic flooding ongoing in Malawi with the death toll rapidly rising (199 confirmed as of this nomination). Rainfall is continuing across Malawi and Mozambique in association with the cyclone's remnants. The article is continually being expanded and meets criteria for ongoing. Opting to nominate instead of add it myself given my involvement in the tropical cyclone project. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support - Disaster is still continuing and rain is expected through at least Friday if not longer. NoahTalk 19:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support per nom. Very much an ongoing event and very much in the news. Quality seems A-OK. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support per above - was not expecting this to last as long as it has. Crusader1096 (message) 20:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's the only tropical cyclone on record to outlive a long month (31 days). And it broke the record by days. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support its still going as the cyclone's remnants is still bringing heavy rainfall and 238 fatalities is confirmed so far which is very notable for a tropical cyclones
Rainbow Galaxy POC (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ongoing. --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted to ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question. Is this really ongoing? Our article on this topic has this as the first line of the lede. Very Intense Tropical Cyclone Freddy was an exceptionally long-lived storm that tracked across the Indian Ocean for more than five weeks in February and March 2023.. Can any knowledgeable editor, update the lede if it is indeed ongoing. If it is not ongoing, we should not include this in the ongoing section. Ktin (talk) 21:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Rainfall is still ongoing and expected to continue for a few more days as a result of the remnant moisture. The storm is no longer being tracked and is considered "dissipated" as of this morning because its center position could not be located. That doesn't mean the disaster is over. NoahTalk 21:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Got it thanks. If the storm is "dissipated," I would recommend removing it from ongoing. Alternately, if the storm is ongoing, I would recommend the lede of the target article be updated. Ktin (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It is no longer a tropical cyclone and the wind map is no longer "rotation around a center" but it is still raining. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If it's still otherwise worthy of ongoing (I have no idea) maybe the link can be Cyclone Freddy flooding or something piped to the article. If a 1993 or 2011-level or worse Mississippi flood was caused by a storm new states could start flooding for months after the storm disappears. The rivers in this part of the world aren't as long in water travel time as the Mississippi but an organized wind map still existing is not needed for water from that storm to still be rising in many homes. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We need to look to Relief Web to see how the disaster is progressing. NoahTalk 00:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We can remove it if the death toll starts to wane off in a day or so (which is expected). We would not give ongoing coverage to continued humanitarian efforts, similarly to the Turkey/Syria quake. Masem (t) 01:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Main issue is rainfall. [2] specifically mentions "Over the next 48 hours, very heavy rainfall is forecast over southern Malawi and over Zambezia, Sofala and Tete Provinces (central-northern Mozambique)". This would still be ongoing as long as the article is updated, heavy rainfall is occurring, and scores of people are being reported deceased. NoahTalk 01:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    101 more dead in Malawi today and missing there increased from 41 to 201. No word on increases in Mozambique yet, but more likely there since they couldnt access many areas. NoahTalk 14:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Pull The cyclone moved on, rain lasts forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 13[edit]

March 13, 2023 (2023-03-13) (Monday)

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Vera Selby[edit]

Article: Vera Selby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://wst.tv/vera-selby-mbe-passes-away/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kenzaburō Ōe[edit]

Article: Kenzaburō Ōe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died March 3, but death was only announced on March 13; article looks mostly ok, with just a few places missing citations which we can hopefully fix quickly. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:43, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support No unsourced content now. Looks to be ready for RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - article seems to meet requirements, could use some ref clean up though. - Indefensible (talk) 04:57, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, lovingly improved since you brought it here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Nothing to complain. Green tickY OK. Grimes2 (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. --Tone 10:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Tone I didn't realize it had posted already! Next time I would appreciate a notification. I went ahead and sent one to everyone else. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:06, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Pat Schroeder[edit]

Article: Pat Schroeder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some sourcing problems, but it doesn't look like too many. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Pepitone[edit]

Article: Joe Pepitone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Sorry for the premature vote of confidence. Looks good now. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Naonobu Fujii[edit]

Article: Naonobu Fujii (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Olympics JA insidethegames
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 21:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Not yet ready Article is not holistic, more expansion of his volleyball career is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 13:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update blurb: Collapse of Signature Bank[edit]

Article: Collapse of Signature Bank (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Silicon Valley Bank (headquarters pictured) and Signature Bank collapse in the second and third–largest bank failures in U.S. history. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Third largest banking collapse in US history, right behind SVB and WaMu. 29th largest bank in the US by assets according to the Federal Reserve, $110 billion in assets or thereabouts. No article yet on its collapse Collapse of Signature Bank is still a W.I.P., so feel free to oppose on quality for the time being if needed. Juxlos (talk) 03:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - two of the largest bank failures in American history occurring in a few days is certainly a major - and worrying - event. Crusader1096 (message) 04:05, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Article on the SB collapse has since been created. Crusader1096 (message) 04:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support – and also link 2023 United States bank failures once it's expanded. DecafPotato (talk) 04:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Amending because the blurb was updated with the article Collapse of Signature Bank, in which case I have to oppose on quality for the time being. DecafPotato (talk) 04:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have spent a lot of time today adding information about the Signature collapse to its article and overhauling it. I have ported some of that material to the new Collapse of Signature Bank page, but I fear that it will actually be quite redundant the way that the page is structured. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment While one can call the Signature Bank a bank failure, my read of articles states it was done preemptively to prevent a mass rush on the bank markets following the SVB failure (which came out of nowhere). As such I don't think an update is necessary, but it is wise to be looking at a broad article on 2023 bank collapses if they keep happening and suggest that for ongoing. We definitely can't keep adding more banks to blurbs. --Masem (t) 04:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Hopefully it stops at 2 large banks, but if an increasing number of banks collapse we would just have to do it with a number ticker a la natural disaster fatalities. Juxlos (talk) 04:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support This is incredibly worrying for global economy. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Now Support The article needs to be expanded. Currently, there are very few details. Once the article is improved, I will gladly support it. As Massem suggested, future bank failures should be included in a broad article if that trend continues. --Maxxies (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Maxxies: Has the article been expanded to your satisfaction? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes. There are more details now in the article. Maxxies (talk) 22:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment. There's an article that's currently under construction at 2023 United States bank failures. I don't oppose updating for now, but I do think that we may want to consider the article under construction as the bold entry if we're going to be making this update. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. It will provide a better insight on what is currently happening. I would certainly prefer to see this article compiling bank failures on ITN. Maybe if US bank collapses continue, why not consider this article as an ongoing event? Maxxies (talk) 05:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Photo RD Whatever else this collapse portends, I think it's high time a bank was pictured, or a banker or something. Kaja Kallas had a good run. But times change. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    How do you feel about
    What about this photo?
    File:Signature bank storefront (39th & Madison) reporters swarming.png? (cc: SWinxy, who took the photograph). — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think this issue became moot when the Oscars blurb was added with image of Michelle Yeoh. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Mootish. I think a hundred billion dollars is worth more (in importance bucks) than a movie which might see a hundred million in sales, if lucky. But Michelle Yeoh is definitely the Best Picture, aesthetically, and both are about as topical. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Bah! Let Yeoh enjoy the spotlight. She deserves it :) SWinxy (talk) 22:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I cannot dispute a bah. She can have it, then the director, then maybe the next bank. Seems that movie was pretty lucky after all, already raking in over a tenth of a billion before the Wikipedian consideration. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The 29th largest bank of a single country…… _-_Alsor (talk) 07:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Are we seriously going to have this argument again? Crusader1096 (message) 07:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It is roughly a full half the size of the last one, where it counts, in dollars and cents. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I have the same arguments, you have the same arguments. And we should respect it. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Per WP:ERRORS, there are serious issues with these claims. Our list of rankings is not reliable and, in any case, the authorities are taking action and so the matter is a work-in-progress. So, we should wait rather than rushing to make sensational claims. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Third-largest is verified by Reuters. The 29th largest is my quip, not part of the hook. Juxlos (talk) 13:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not impressed as the Reuters source admits to the amusing error of dropping a billion. The discussion at WP:ERRORS indicates that they still have more work to do in explaining what a "bank" is in this context. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's extremely clear to anyone with mild familiarity of the subject matter that "bank" in this context is referring to a depository institution. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Bank Classification is not simple and that's just in the US. We should not assume that our international and general readership understands this complexity and jargon in a particular way. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:34, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Sure? But we're talking a bout failures of U.S. banks here, so we would be a bit amiss if we were to include entities that were not considered banks in the United States on the list. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Entities such as Lehman Brothers were certainly considered banks and they are shown as such on Wikipedia being in categories like Banks based in New York City. The issue which arises especially in the US is the divide introduced by the Glass–Steagall legislation which separated commercial and investment banking in a way which is not so common in other countries. Both sides of the Glass-Steagall divide were still banks and they have both failed in a big way. If we're going make claims like "second-largest", then this distinction is vital. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I agree with this note above. Ktin (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This was pointed out on the talk page of the List of largest failures. Maybe that article needs to be reformatted to include Lehman and other banks-but-not-exactly-banks in the same. I was surprised when I opened the article and saw that Lehman wasn't on top of it. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until the issues with the wording of the current blurb are resolved on WP:ERRORS. Then, of course, support. I even consider posting this onto ongoing as it already seems to be a major developing story impacting stock markets and financial regulation in the US. A good target for ongoing would be 2023 United States bank failures, but it's currently not in a postable shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Working on that. Any help on improving the article would be much appreciated. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I joined you in expanding the article. Now it should be fine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Sounds good, put it up 2A00:23C8:B03:9F01:C980:3C99:352:FAFA (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank both collapse over the span of three days, becoming the second- and third-largest bank failures in U.S. history. I think all three articles are in good enough shape to post, and I believe that the article covering the March bank collapses should be boldlinked. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I also think the 2023 collapses link should be boldfaced because it also covers the third (and the first to collapse) bank, which is essential to what's happening. —Alalch E. 18:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. It's also better to make all of this an ongoing news story about the FED interest rates hikes and the economic fallout from that. A lot more banks and companies will go belly up.Count Iblis (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - obviously just bump the blurb back up and merge them together, though. --RockstoneSend me a message! 22:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Definitely. NB Could be out of date by tomorrow. Thelisteninghand (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Updated Blurb per nom. No sense messing with combined articles or Ongoing at the moment though, we're just talking about two incidents that are in the same bucket and may stand as more notable when considered together. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:06, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Two bank collapses within a couple days is obviously significant. Curbon7 (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. If the trend continues and there are more developments, then a standalone article and ongoing might be appropriate, but this incident isn't individually ITN worthy.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Moody's has downgraded the outlook for the banking sector. Yet even with these banking crises, the stock market actually took a 1% bounce yesterday - 2% for the NASDAQ. A very healthy clawback. I don't think it means the ITN item is totally insignificant, but it speaks to one of the major difficulties in tracking complex economic stories through ITN! --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's my concern still is that while many major sources are talking of this as a larger trend, it really is OR at this point to say "two banks failed and some stock corrections" == major event. Its the same reason that when the DOE report about their stance on the lab leak theory was all over the place, it wasn't the type of news that Wikipedia, including ITN, would really give much weight to. Its the 10-yr view we need to consider with topics like these if they will be long-lasting or just a burst of coverage. Its still something to watch for, but the news over the last few days, particularly when the FDIC assured all funds would be covered and alleviating major concerns, have made this story less compelling than when the SVB closure was first announced. Masem (t) 12:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. I would have said support but it looks like other banks are now getting affected: Switzerland's Credit Suisse seems to be in trouble (and apparently this has been ongoing since at least 3 March). Per these articles from AP, CNN, and The Guardian, it looks like this is a bigger event now. I say we should wait for more developments before we update this, although admittedly the collapse of SVB and Signature are big news and frankly, ITN worthy. Vida0007 (talk) 15:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Considering the issue is getting larger (and collecting more bank casualties with it), I'm beginning to think we could go with Masem and Amakuru's suggestions of putting it on Ongoing. I still support a blurb, but since the problem is most likely not ending at SVB and Signature, I think a spot in Ongoing can work as well. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I would also support that. DecafPotato (talk) 19:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yup, that suggestion would be fine with me. Vida0007 (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support updating blurb &/or adding it to ongoing This is clearly a major additional event, so I think it’d be best to update the blurb, but more banks may fail, so it could be an ongoing crisis. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support updating blurb to include both Signature and Silvergate bank as well. Yes, please do link to the March 2023 failures article. Not too sure about making it ongoing. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 12[edit]

March 12, 2023 (2023-03-12) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

(Posted) RD: Phyllida Barlow[edit]

Article: Phyllida Barlow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5] [6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well cited and pretty well rounded article. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are photographs of the artist's 3D sculptures Creative Commons safe under UK Freedom of Panorama, if they weren't "permanent" installations? Cielquiparle (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think you're right so I've removed them. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marek Kopelent[edit]

Article: Marek Kopelent (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Czech Radio
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Czech composer who received foreign commissions while banned in his home country from 1971 to 1989, influential then also as professor from 1991. - Article had only few inline citations, and few works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2023 (UTC) KTC (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Dick Fosbury[edit]

Article: Dick Fosbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 KTC (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait Article is mostly in good shape but has a few uncited paragraphs. Revolutionary figure in the sport of high jumping TartarTorte 20:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment A lot of WP:PROSELINE issues in the second half of the article. Curbon7 (talk) 13:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Two obvious problems. Date of birth lacks an inline reference. Non-notable children should not be listed by name. Schwede66 17:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Unsourced paragraphs. (And are those paragraphs with only one source at the end mostly covered by that said source?)—Bagumba (talk) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Oscars 95[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: 95th Academy Awards (talk · history · tag) and Everything Everywhere All at Once (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 95th Academy Awards, Daniel Kwan and Daniel Scheinert win the awards for best director while Brendan Fraser (pictured) wins the award for best actor. (provisional blurb) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the 95th Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once (lead actress Michelle Yeoh pictured) wins seven awards, including Best Picture.
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Recurring item. The ceremony is still ongoing, with best picture not being announced, but the news is that almighty Fraser himself has won best actor while the Daniels best director(s?).
Edit: having had BP announced, I am striking the original blurb. Crusader1096 (message) 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • per ITNR we go with the winning film. That EEAAO won 7 awards including Best Picture is what we should be noting, which would give us an opportunity to feature a picture of Michelle Yeoh instead. --Masem (t) 03:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fixed. Crusader1096 (message) 03:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Michelle Yeoh was the actress, not the directors. Otherwise Support. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Well-deserved. Can we do a rotation of images for Yeoh, Quan, Curtis, and the Daniels? I'd love to see all of them featured for a few hours each. Davey2116 (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Whoever's image is being shown should have their award in the blurb. It's weird, showing Yeoh as the lead actress but not mentioning that she won the Oscar for lead actress. starship.paint (exalt) 04:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    agree Kirill C1 (talk) 07:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment There is probably a bit more about the ceremony that should be included (no big "slap" to worry about, but we still have the usual things like in Memorandum to be added). Also note that the film page appears to be in very good shape for highlighting. --Masem (t) 03:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Support but perhaps use the poster or a picture of the entire cast (including the directors, who themselves won 3 awards) instead of just Michelle Yeoh? Consultant Wiki (talk) 06:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At the 95th Academy Awards, Everything Everywhere All at Once (best actress winner Michelle Yeoh pictured) wins seven awards, including Best Picture Kirill C1 (talk) 07:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posting. Looks good. In Memoriam should probably have a separate reference but I suppose it is included somewhere in the other ones. The prose summary is fine. Regarding the picture, we can cycle some of the cast and crew. --Tone 08:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I did also believe the film itself was potential for a bold link with its quality but no further comments on that, yet. Masem (t) 12:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The film article looks to be in a great shape. I don't mind it being bolded. Tone 15:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm generally not a fan of additional bolds, save for an FA (or GA). Keep the thing the thing. —Bagumba (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 11[edit]

March 11, 2023 (2023-03-11) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Ahlem Belhadj[edit]

Article: Ahlem Belhadj (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Espace Manager Business News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An article I started a good few years ago whose subject has now died. I've not kept a close eye on it but have tidied it up a bit today - Dumelow (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bud Grant[edit]

Article: Bud Grant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support (Maybe blurb) Article is a GA, and the name Bud Grant is well known in both the NFL and CFL worlds, and even in the NBA world (Yes, he played basketball for the Lakers and won the 1950 Finals with them). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCorriynial (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think we need a blurb for him. Article has been GA for 15 years, so it should not automatically be taken as quality. I'm reviewing it to see if there's anything glaring. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. While a blurb would be nice (I'd support it), as he's one of the greatest all-time NFL coaches, one of the greatest all-time CFL coaches (one of the top five winningest coaches ever), a great CFL player, a (briefly) great NFL player, as well as NBA player, I'd bet immediately there would be a bunch of opposes due to being "too America-centric." But anyway, the article is good enough quality it appears to qualify for RD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if he were the winningest, or highest-record, or longest-serving, coach in NFL history I could possibly support (though you'd get opposes even then), but having not even a single first-place record renders this a no-go IMO. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb. Qualified to be posted under RD but not noteworthy enough to be blurbed. Article looks ready though. Vida0007 (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not Quite Ready Almost there but the Coaching Tree section near the bottom has some referencing gaps. Should be a quick fix for anyone with access to sources. As soon as that is fixed this can be just treated as a support for RD. No need to ping me. Not really feeling a blurb here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, oppose blurb Article is now ready to go. Blurb is not necessary. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:42, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment One cn tag is present. Once this is fixed → Support RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 10:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support CN tags removed. Article in RD-quality shape now, good to go. Cheers. WimePocy 13:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Article is a GA and looks good. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. 14:56, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Mikaela Shiffrin's 87th World Cup victory[edit]

At best, the current consensus is to wait until 19 March, when the season concludes. It's best to close and consider renominaating then as
  1. It's a possbile WP:ITNR nomination.
  2. The record can posssibly be integrated into the ITNR blurb.
  3. The early opposes might change their perspective .
  4. The "waits" can reassess.
—Bagumba (talk) 10:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Mikaela Shiffrin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mikaela Shiffrin (pictured) becomes the world's most successful alpine skier with her 87th World Cup race win. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Alpine World Cup is won by Mikaela Shiffrin and Marco Odermatt, with Shiffrin breaking the old record by earning her 87th victory. <Cup isn't over yet.>
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mikaela Shiffrin breaks the record for most alpine skiing World Cup race wins.
News source(s): Reuters, CNN, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: With her 87th win, Shiffrin overtakes Ingemar Stenmark's 34 y/o (!!) all-time record wins. If posted with photo, I think this victory-gesture-photo is the most appropriate. cart-Talk 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support as nominator. cart-Talk 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose We tend to avoid posting singular athlete achievements like this unless it is a well-known record to be broken (eg something like Four-minute mile), as otherwise, these are records likely to be broken in the future as well. --Masem (t) 17:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality due to sourcing issues. As for notability, I'd need a compelling reason, given the bar set at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/February 2023 § (Pulled) LeBron James sets scoring record.—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose mostly because the number of World Cup titles is what counts more in alpine skiing (race victories just ease the road to winning a World Cup title). Marcel Hirscher won his record sixth World Cup title in 2017 and went on to win a total of eight before retiring, but the problem is that we didn’t mention it anywhere because we don’t regularly post the World Cup winners due to quality problems. I think it’s more important to work on improving the articles on the World Cups, which contain bare tables, so that we post them regularly than singling out one such record. As for notability, compare this to Ronnie O’Sullivan surpassing Stephen Hendry’s record in the number of ranking titles won and the Golden State Warriors setting a new winning record in the regular season.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Bagumba; if Lebron James's record in basketball didn't pass muster at ITN, how could someone get on here with a record in a much more niche sport? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC) (UPDATE: See below. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]
  • Oppose again, per Bagumba. Considering we set a really high bar for sports records to meet in order for them to make it to ITN by denying LeBron's record, I doubt we blurb her. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom - It's a shame that we set a very high bar at ITN/C for some things or another, but it is what it is, we are unlikely to post any major individual achievements except for those which are spectacularly extraordinary beyond any sort of conceivable threshold. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Begumba and Kiril. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment This referring to the Lebron James's record is just odd. His record was a US achievement on a national level, that past by relatively unnoticed here in Europe. This is an international record that is making headlines in Europe, US, Canada and parts of Asia. This is more like winning a bunch of Wimbledon Championships, and we've posted plenty of those. cart-Talk 08:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Last time I checked, this was the Wikipedia in the English language, not the US Wikipedia. Skiing is bigger than basketball in the Nordic countries and central Europe. It is also big in Canada, Japan and Korea. Even if basketball is a big sport, it shouldn't eclipse other sports and set the standards for them. That is like saying we shouldn't post elections from small states at ITN. Btw, the nom is about a US skier if we stick to the US Wiki agenda. cart-Talk 17:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
W.carter, check out the LeBron James discussion to see the links to articles for Le Monde, El Pais, La Repubblica, The Guardian, and other non-U.S. news sources. Just because you didn't see it and/or didn't care about it doesn't mean it was "relatively unnoticed" worldwide. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Muboshgu, of course I read about it online, and with a brother-in-law who is a US basketball coach, it's hard to not hear about a thing like that, do not assume things you don't know anything about. But it wasn't broadcasted on radio and tv like this record was. And I still think an international record is more significant than a national. cart-Talk 01:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wasn't assuming anything, I was reading where you said it was "relatively unnoticed" even though it was quite noticed. There is way too much of people talking about things they know nothing about on this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's not national level, all the strong non-USA players play there, a large percent of the superstars grew up in Eurasia or Africa with no American connections like citizenship or ancestry. The gap to the second strongest league in the world is large, even the strongest domestic soccer league isn't consistently obviously better than the second strongest. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:16, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It doesn't matter if the US league is the strongest in the world and the players come from all over the world (Heck, my own sister was drafted from Sweden and played basketball for a New York college!) As long as the teams don't play teams from other nations, it's by definition a national league. cart-Talk 16:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By 1995 75% of big four USA sports have had Canadian team(s) in their top league. So barely international (Canadian football and American football are different sports kind of like rugby union and league and have a deal to not directly compete though some Canadians follow both) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some consider Toronto a Canadian city, but many Canadians prefer to think of it as a global metropolis that just happens to technically sit above that oddly southern part of the border. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So a bit like New York or London? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A bit more like Dubai, on account of its preposterously gigantic tower. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Our tower is only 1.3% shorter than yours, Dubai is 1.5 CN Towers tall. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not my tower, I'm a bushpig. There's a hotel nearby standing three storeys tall and even that freaks me out. "Yours" is that 1776er, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup, world's tallest structure outside of Asia, Toronto, putting one end of a really long string on something that floats/sinks/flies, topography, putting really long things on topography, some very hollow antennas only a few meters wide that'd fall without by a forest stretched of diagonal cables, and oil rigs that bend way more than land towers (up to 84+ feet) and might collapse if the sea didn't partly cancel their weight (like 90% is underwater). There's a 16 foot tall thin piece that makes it 1,792 feet tall though (1,806 feet above sea level, 1,813 above lowest tide on record (the offshore wind side of a cyclone), about 1,794.5 above the highest (the 2012 hurricane that flooded Ground Zero with seawater but we only got the onshore wind side)). I've freaked out looking at flat land only 2 floors high as far as the eye can see. The other sub-3 floor neighborhoods I've seen and a bus ride to the Rockies and back didn't bother me but the way this neighborhood I wanted to walk across looked from that vantage point it looked so weird. Walking in the country for the first time gave thoughts of walking too far out, this very local lack of signs of man in sight (besides one dirt road) continuing forever and starving to death though I knew I only needed to walk a few more miles. You ever dream you ran so fast you couldn't see where you're going, are now probably remote enough to starve to death if you weren't superhumanly fast, do a 180 and run a similar time and effort to get unlost, and find out you're not superhuman anymore? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nope. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Snow was starting to stick to the tundra in summer, I ran like the Flash and got trapped in Canada
. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On further review, I'll concede that Toronto is indeed more like New York than Dubai. And yes, I forgot about those freaky transmission towers among the trees. Definitely scarier than the local haunted hotel. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was the new box fucking up the text when you've written too much and me missing every fuckup. They're in a forest of diagonal steel cables pulling every Xth "floor" in every direction. I don't think they even have floors or stairs though, it's a glorified elevator. If they were in a forest they might fall down as soon as a storm drops heavy crap on the cables. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know what kind of fucked-up box you're talking about, but the forest towers I see are just steel frames, no floors, some thin steps welded on that make my knees weak even imagining climbing. Blinking red light on the top, like a caribou. If you ever go to visit, you'll see they're in clearings so no heavy crap (or what the natives call "wood") may intervene, but from a distance, there seems harmony. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah that's pretty much it, looks like a needle from far away, is really steel frame up to 2,121 feet tall, no floors, blinking red light at the top. steel cables tugging on various heights but except up close it looks like it's standing up unassisted. Maybe they don't all have elevators. The tallest ever made had an elevator until it collapsed, no walls. Its article has a vertiginous photo that makes it look infinitely tall. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The box you get when you click the reply link under each comment. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:35, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's not the box I get, I'm a bushpig. Old skin, manual indentation and no Javascript, the way the Browser Gods intended. Anyway, the towers I know are more like 200 feet, and anyone who can't climb 200 feet on a cold and windy day to change a lightbulb should probably find a new path through life (but not wanting to scale that next two thousand feet by hand is understandable, and those brave souls deserve all the luxury in the world). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's the heaviest crap that falls in a windstorm, anyway; occasionally something like the January 1998 North American ice storm comes drizzling in and all those fine lines are exactly what doom them to crumble while cubier creatures cope. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Furthermore, Gushue wins! I don't know Dunstone from Adam, but that's the sort of sport record a "typical" Canadian freaks out about, I hear, not alpine skiing. Objectively one hell of a skip, in any case, respected or not (and a mighty fine day for the real Ontarian London). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wonder if anyone's ever curled naked? At least for one or two stones. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Heavens forbid we post an ITN item about a woman athlete beating a major international record set by a man 34 years ago. Nsk92 (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I mean this clearly isn't about men or women. LeBron's record was not posted, and he's a man. Dash Hyphen (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LeBron was national, Shiffrin is international, that's the big difference. cart-Talk 14:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The strongest league in the world by far and half of the superstars seem to have no connection to the Western Hemisphere growing up by now. Their first connection besides being fans is moving here to play at around 18 years old. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey at least she surpassed LeBron on pageviews for a day. I mean, LeBron is either legitimately injured or load managing or whatever... Howard the Duck (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question - We very rarely post skiing news at all. This is a world-spanning contest; is there any argument for posting her latest victory as the main story, rather than the record it sets? GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Skiing competitions are not that big even when world-vide, so they take a backseat to say cricket and soccer unless something extraordinary and unprecedented happens. Like this. That's why I made the nom, to widen the scope of ITN just a smidgen. cart-Talk 15:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Constructive comment indeed, that is sort of an idea to make this work, even if you instinctively place the male name first in a blurb that is really about highlighting the female's accomplishment. ;-) Alt blub added, let's see were this can take us. cart-Talk 17:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BUT I just realized we can't post a blurb about them being winners of the World Cup yet, since the cup doesn't end until 19 March. There are four more events to run. cart-Talk 18:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Masem and W.carter: I totally agree that posting the World Cup winners should be prioritised because it's an ITN/R item that doesn't get regularly posted due to quality problems. However, note that she clinched the World Cup title last weekend and the season ends next weekend when she may win additional races, so it's very unclear how this record can fit in that blurb (in Formula One, we post a blurb when the winner is known, not when the season ends, and the same logic should apply here). At the very least, it's good that we have this discussion to direct attention to alpine skiing and its ITN/R item in the future.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because the men's and women's version of alpine skiing occur at the same time, both should be featured in the same blurb. If it is the case that a person can cinch before the end of the season in this sport, then it should be posted when both positions have been cinched, and if that's before the end of the season, great. Masem (t) 23:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed. I’d still like to see this story posted after very long time, but adding this record to the blurb would seem redundant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support when ready The bar for significance is too high. This is a major record in a significant sport that has gone unbroken for decades, and it is being covered by major sources. Furthermore, the oldest two blurbs on the front page happened last month. We should post this. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support FIS Alpine Skiing blurb per Masem, even if we can't post it until 19 March. I was going to Oppose this, despite it being far more notable than such things as national basketball records, but since that article is ITNR, if it can be improved to a sufficiently adequate status, then all is good. Black Kite (talk) 19:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Yes, that's why I said if it can be improved to a sufficiently adequate status. I'd have a go myself, but my knowledge of Alpine skiing is on a par with my knowledge of quantum physics. Black Kite (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It appears that I replied to you, but that's only because of the garbage editor. I started to write my comment replying to the main post, and then you posted before I posted, and now here we are in this conondrum :( 194.230.148.207 (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait till March 19, then post both winners (pending article cleanup), mentioning Shiffrin's record and picturing her for longer. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait - I absolutely agree with InedibleHulk in this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    To be fair, I stole the idea from Masem (whose comments I also often think are unimportant or wrong). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. Would just be better though that we re-nom the competition when it has ended and note Shiffrin's record as well in the blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment This weekend she won both the slalom and the giant slalom races, and there are already very low odds (high probability) that she’d win another race next weekend with a slalom and a giant slalom on the schedule. How will be this accommodated in the blurb? Will we report on the record-breaking 87th win if she has more than that? I know it’s a crystal-ball reasoning, but it’s definitely something to consider before making such suggestions.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose record blurb, neutral on skiing blurb I don't know to what extent skiing is covered by ITNR, but I'll still oppose any record mention (except as ancillary) per the Lebron James precedent. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Per all of the above - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support LeBron should not have been pulled. Two wrongs don't make a right. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nah, but "we were insulting the Turks and Syrians because they had an earthquake," or some nonsense. Crusader1096 (message) 03:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm willing to support this, as the event is ITNR, with an emphasis on this record. That doesn't mean LeBron's record shouldn't be pulled from the ITN. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait per IndelibleHulk. Banedon (talk) 03:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    While I'm here compelled to correct the spelling of my username, I should also clarify that I'm not waiting to call her the most successful alpine skier. Just the record. Regardless of the upended man, racewise, Annemarie Moser-Pröll is still the better woman overall. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - again, the idea that Lebron's should have been pulled because it occurred at the same time as the Turko-Syrian earthquake and thus we were somehow being insulting to the victims is complete idiocy. Crusader1096 (message) 03:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really hope people didn't make that argument. Ay caramba... – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some did. There was also a huff-puff when the image was changed from the earthquake to something else. Curbon7 (talk) 13:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose individual records like this. It's not a very meaningful record either, given the number of events has varied substantially over the years. If you want us to post more skiing stories - and I have no objection to that - the place to start was the FIS Alpine World Ski Championships. That's on WP:ITNR, so is automatically posted if the article is good enough, but it wasn't even nominated this year. Modest Genius talk 11:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Was Michael Phelps posted? Having more Olympic golds than anyone is easier when the number of 50 to 400 meter swim races increased to vast amounts. They probably have a men and women alternating 4x200 meter 50 meters per style relay by now. And the same thing in 4x400 of course. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose and Wait Opposing the posting of records of sportspersons; sports are well covered on ITNR, no need to open the floodgates for individual records. Both sports retirements and the postings of such records have rightly been considered against. Suggesting wait (per Masem) on the basis that this is part of an ITNR event and can be accomodated there but that will require a new nom when this event actually concludes. Gotitbro (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Tongo (entertainer)[edit]

Article: Tongo (entertainer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eseuro
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Peruvian singer and YouTuber. I already knew him. ay bicam sonam... --08:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

  • Weak Oppose I'm not too sure if the article is up to snuff yet, but that's mostly because in the Personal Life section, there's a bit of vague, unspecific language. I have nothing to do right now, though, so I'll try to fix that. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Quality issues aside, there are still many unsourced covers in the music/career section. Cheers, because its my birthday!. WimePocy 13:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

14th national people's congress[edit]

Article: 14th National People's Congress (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Li Qiang is elected as Premier of the People's Republic of China, succeeding Li Keqiang. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64924440
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: China changed premier. User:Editor 5426387(talk) 17:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose Frankly, I'm unsure if this fits into ITN or not. He's definitely not the head of state, but his predecessor was blurbed when he became premier. To be fair, though, that was 10 years back, so I say oppose, since he's not the guy with the most power. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Like the Xi nomination yesterday, this is simply rubber-stamping the decision made by the CCP a few months ago. China is a one-party state, where this supposed parliament simply confirms the decisions that were already made by the party. Li Qiang became Xi's effective deputy in October due to the retirement of Li Keqiang. The new activity is the People's Congress dutifully re-appointing Xi as head of state and appointing Li Qiang as head of government. As far as I am aware, those roles were never in doubt after the Party Congress. Modest Genius talk 15:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak Support As mentions per @TheBlueSkyClub, Keqiang was blurbed, that and that Qiang is a closer ally to Jinping, we have posted fixed elections before, this election fits into it, that and the rise of power that Xi has, definitely has to be noted on, even if this election is a small factor on it. Vriend1917 (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

March 10[edit]

March 10, 2023 (2023-03-10) (Friday)

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RD: R. Dhruvanarayana[edit]

Article: R. Dhruvanarayana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician. Needs some sourcing! Tails Wx 04:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WP:POINT
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Oppose since he was just one among 543 lok sabha members i doubt he was a particularly famous figure in india, let alone abroad. Synotia (moan) 13:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Synotia: All people who died recently are eligible for RD (if they have an article and it is high enough quality). BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not because you can do something, that you should do it. A mantra that would also have made the DYK section suck less had they followed it :^) Synotia (moan) 23:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Synotia It's an RD, not a blurb nomination.
"Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Please read the links at the bottom of the nomination box. Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure, the guideline is there in order to not print a law codex of cases where people are notable and non-notable for the small section.
But I am still a person who values "quality over quantity"; this does not contradict the rule in question. Synotia (moan) 11:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well... quality in this case would mean article quality. And, to be fair, not too great as the nominator mentions. If by quality you mean if the person is qualified to make it on ITN/RD, then it does contradict the rule in question, as the box states that "any person, animal, or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be enough to post". TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:22, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet ready Article is not holistic, and is only partially sourced. Curbon7 (talk) 13:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Iran and Saudi Arabia reestablish diplomatic relations[edit]

Article: Iran–Saudi Arabia relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran and Saudi Arabia agree to reestablish diplomatic relations, seven years after they were severed. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times NPR
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Restoration of diplomatic relations for two significant powers. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Weak support - significant considering these countries are engaged in a Cold War, however, its only a two sentence update in the article. Crusader1096 (message) 02:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Just noting, the update was six sentences (one in the lead, three in the "History" section, and two in the "International efforts to normalize relations" section), though there is some repetition between the different sections. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait for embassy reopenings. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose on quality The bolded article has some fundamental issues. Many contentious claims are left unsourced, and the second half of the article suffers from WP:PROSELINE and is quite informal. The update is also quite short for the purposes of this kind of blurb. Curbon7 (talk) 02:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle especially if/once embassies reopen. Already political repercussions are being felt. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support—Over the past 40 years, virtually every conflict in the Middle East (and really, much of the Islamic World as a whole) has either been a direct result of, or heavily influenced by, the schism between Iran and Saudi Arabia. These two countries have basically been locked in a regional Cold War, and many other nearby countries—Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, just to name a few—have paid the price in the loss and destruction of countless human lives. The fact that these two countries are even sitting at the bargaining table in the first place, regardless of their motives or the actual long-term viability of any peace agreement signed, is huge news and should be treated as such. Kurtis (talk) 04:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Huge regional development with global implications and biggest international relations story at the moment aside from all of the fallout of the Russo-Ukraine War. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:46, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work Reading though the article, there seems to be too much clumsy, confusing text. For example, "Relations continued until 1943 when an Iranian pilgrim, Abu Taleb Yazdi, was executed by the Saudi government who allegedly threw his vomit on the Kaba.", "...the rift between both countries looks wide and unbridgeable for now." Generally, it seems to be a long catalog of incidents which have caused relations to wax and wane repeatedly. This latest development seems to be just part of this pattern. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. A two-sentence update to an existing article this long on hostile that has been around for decades isn't close to enough. For example, I know there are reactions from the US worried about China stepping into these negotiations. --Masem (t) 17:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major event. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, the NYT opines "This is among the topsiest and turviest of developments anyone could have imagined, a shift that left heads spinning in capitals around the globe".VR talk 00:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've imagined topsier, but no, never turvier. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per Masem. Two sentences is nowhere near adequate if this is supposed to be a blurb worthy event. Additionally, the article has significant gaps in referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, when it is updated, then it'll be a support. TomMasterRealTALK 02:42, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update: I've expanded Iran-Saudi Arabia relations#March 2023 restoration of relations, please look again, Masem, Ad Orientem, TomMasterReal and Andrew Davidson. If you further suggestions for improvement, please let me know.VR talk 17:31, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Overall far too many referencing gaps remain. The article is going to need some work before it can be linked on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    China-Iran relations and China-Saudi Arabia relations may be more viable options, if someone wants to shift the focus to the parts American sources already seem the most spun out about. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Per the above comments kindly made by other editors PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The 20 [citation needed] tags all need to be fixed up, but once they are this feels like an excellent subject to feature and the article is properly updated. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Weak support – Article looks acceptable for a front-page feature and I want to commend Mx. Granger, Ad Orientem, Vice Regent and others for the great work on this article the past few days. There's still some concerns, notably the errors in the citations, and I have a hard time confirming any signficant amount of the article myself in a brief ITN-review. It's important that the content of this article is particularly accurate and there's a lot. From what I've checked, the article looks good, however, and it would be a good feature! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Update: In addition to the information added by User:Vice regent, the "citation needed" tags have now been dealt with. Pinging @Ad Orientem and Maplestrip: in case this affects your view. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Neutral Moving from oppose. Good job to everyone who worked to update the article and fix the missing cites. Alas, this event appears to have been a bit of a 2 day wonder and has now more or less faded from the news cycle. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Tremendously important for the Middle East, and most certainly in the news. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted. SpencerT•C 19:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Matamoros kidnappings[edit]

Good faith nomination but consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: 2023 Matamoros kidnappings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four Americans are kidnapped, with two being killed, in Matamoros, Mexico by alleged members of the Gulf Cartel. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Four missing Americans who were kidnapped in Matamoros, Mexico by alleged Gulf Cartel members, are found, with two of them being dead.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Two kidnapped Americans, along with the bodies of two other Americans, are found in Mexico.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Several Mexican men are arrested for their purported involvement in the kidnapping of four Americans and the killing of two of them.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ The Gulf Cartel turns over five men purportedly responsible for the kidnapping of four Americans in Matamoros, Mexico
Alternative blurb V: ​ Four Americans, allegedly mistaken for Haitian drug smugglers, are kidnapped, with two being killed, purportedly by the Gulf Cartel of Mexico.
News source(s): CNN, Associated Press
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Semi-fatal kidnapping of four Americans of Mexico that is receiving extensive coverage from journalists, geopolitical analysts, the governments involved, and the like. Has renewed discussion regarding Mexican cartels. Crusader1096 (message) 01:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Normally crime-related news are not really something that would be posted on the ITN, but this one may well become a political scandal for both governments involved. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Kidnappings in Mexico are commonplace. Even of tourists. Again, wikipedia is not a news journal, it’s an encyclopedia. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Kidnappings in Mexico may be common, but drug cartel kidnappings of Americans aren't especially common. Hell, its uncommon to see Mexican cartels attempt to backtrack this much and grovel from a kidnapping. Crusader1096 (message) 02:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose We don't do arrests. Too many unanswered questions, too many living people. I'd say wait for a judicial resolution, but I doubt anyone would nominate it. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:48, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This seems like missing white woman syndrome with tourists; I don't think we post Mexican kidnappings for the same reason we don't post school shootings in its northern neighbor. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • FWIW, if this does blow up between the two countries as suggested above, I might be willing to reconsider this, but only if this turns big as a story. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We do post school shootings in the US if they meet a certain death threshold or have a highly notable motive (e.g, racism, incelism, etc), i.e, if they stand out, just like this story.
    Also, all of the four victims were black and three women. Crusader1096 (message) 04:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Per CNN, "the four were abducted at gunpoint in Matamoros in what is believed to be a case of mistaken identity". Is that one of your et cetera motives? Human error? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Speaking of which, two of the four victims are still black, because this death toll is substandard (and the dead Mexican woman is missing from all your blurbs). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Are you of the opinion that this particular attack meets that death threshold or has that special motivation? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Yet another story over-covered by a press that acknowledges the public's interest in stories such as this. Odd and tragic, but probably not lf lasting or wide-reaching impact. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:34, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless this results in a diplomatic incident between the two countries, for which there’s no indication so far.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:29, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • How did we manage to get five alt-blurbs for a currently nearly unanimously opposed news item? In any case, oppose, this is something that I don't think ITN in 2011 would have bent to post in terms of significance. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, Article lacks enough information. Alex-h (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose as stale - the event that's currently making the headlines, such as it is, is the arrest of the alleged perpetrators after they were captured by (presumably) other cartel members. And as noted, we don't generally post arrests unless they're part of huge busts, which this certainly isn't. The kidnapping, and the subsequent release of some captives and deaths of others, happened a little while back. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose because it's not important enough. Had the victims been Haitians or Mexicans, this wouldn't have been nominated & would be unlikely to have an article. Much worse things frequently happen in the Mexican drug war, including January's 2023 Ciudad Juárez prison attack & 2023 Sinaloa unrest, neither of which were nominated. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 22:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    2023 Sinaloa unrest was nominated. And yes, the point is that these were Americans. Curbon7 (talk) 22:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Arely Pablo Servando, 33, was a Mexican. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not a notable event to make it to ITN. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 23:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jesús Alou[edit]

Article: Jesús Alou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A member of the Alou family, I'll reference this up in the coming hours – Muboshgu (talk) 22:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Failure of Silicon Valley Bank[edit]

Clear support after posting. No further input needed.—Bagumba (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: Silicon Valley Bank (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Silicon Valley Bank is seized by the FDIC, marking the second largest bank failure in US history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation takes control of Silicon Valley Bank in the second largest bank failure in U.S. history.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Silicon Valley Bank is taken over by the United States Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in the second largest bank failure in U.S. history.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Silicon Valley Bank collapses following a bank run and is taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, in the second-largest bank failure in U.S. history.
News source(s): https://www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2023/pr23016.html
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is a very large bank failure following a run on the bank from investors. Was 18th largest bank in the US. Jip Orlando (talk) 18:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support; this is especially significant because of SVB's client base of venture capital funded startups (and at least one payroll processor, Rippling). --Alison (Crazytales) (talk; edits) 18:38, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support, bordering on Wait On on hand its bankruptcy is definitely significant (2nd largest bankruptcy in US history!?), and a part of me is salty that we missed on reporting the collapse of FTX when it turned out to be more significant than we initially though (because discussion was shut down before its ramifications really took hold) and I don't want to miss out on another potentially significant one. On the other hand, I feel like we should probably wait to see if it does have a major impact on non-tech startup sectors of the economy. I'm also kinda weary about the article quality. Mount Patagonia (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support This is the second largest bank failure in US history. Copyedit: it should be "second" spelled out, per MOS:NUMERAL. Steven Walling • talk 19:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, updated. Jip Orlando (talk) 19:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major reliable sources are sufficiently covering this story, the article is in good enough shape and sufficiently updated. --Jayron32 19:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak Oppose good faith nom. While large as bank failures go, the long-term significance is likely to be pretty limited. This isn't Bear Sterns or Jay Cooke & Company. The economy is pretty healthy, and banks do fail now and then. FWIW, we rarely post corporate bankruptcies. In fact, I can't remember the last time we posted one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle, but the blurb should mention that it failed as a result of a bank run.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support. For a seemingly huge news, I feel the article is a bit short, especially the section about SVB's collapse. However, I see no {cn} tags in it, and I think it meets the minimum requirements, even if I am not sure about the long-term ramifications of its collapse. Vida0007 (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, as the second-largest bank failure in U.S. history. — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 20:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose May be the second-largest bank failure, but the bank size itself is ~ #29 in bank sizes compared to other major banks like Chase, and assets <10% of what Chase carries (see [9]) It's not a major bank and while its failure may be a sign of a weakening economy, we cannot infer this from this closing. --Masem (t) 21:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I doubt very much that the ruin of the 18th bank of a country is something ITNR-worthy and internationally interesting/important. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait Honestly, I don't know about this. On one hand, yes this is the second largest bank failure in American history. One the other hand, Masem has a good point. So really, I feel as if we need to wait to see if there are economic effects notable enough for this to be blurbed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support + alt blurb 3 🍁🏳️‍🌈 DinoSoupCanada 🏳️‍🌈 🍁 (talk) 00:30, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support per above. @Masem, @Ad Orientem, and @_-_Alsor, it may not be the most notable bank out there, but the second largest bank failure in American history is notable, and as @Davey2116 pointed out, it's receiving global WP:RS coverage.
@Jip Orlando and any ITN admins reading this, FYI, there is now an article called Collapse of Silicon Valley Bank. Crusader1096 (message) 00:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It remains an irrelevant bank beyond the United States. Another case of American centrism. Can’t wait to see when the 14th largest bank in Serbia collapses and is posted on Main Page. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alsoriano97, does the 14th largest bank in Serbia have US$175 billion in assets? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And the one with $175 billion in assets is still the 18th largest bank in the United States. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're overly hung up on the "18th largest" factoid rather than acknowledging the actual impact of the collapse. The U.S. and Serbia are not equal in many respects and treating their events on a 1-to-1 basis is based on a fallacy. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Which impact have the collapse of the 18th largest bank of the United States? _-_Alsor (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are only 22 licensed banks in Serbia, and only five of which are actually based in Serbia. DecafPotato (talk) 01:12, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Additionally, the US is the world's largest economy by nominal GDP and second-largest by PPP. From Economy of the United States, The U.S. dollar is the currency of record most used in international transactions and is the world's foremost reserve currency. To act like the US economy doesn't have massive international impacts, and even trying to compare it to Serbia, who has an economy 400 times smaller than the US (IMF estimates by nominal GDP), is absurd. DecafPotato (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No one has said otherwise. But just because it happens in the U.S. doesn't mean it has free reign to be posted on Main Page. But well, I'm not discovering anything new or anything that hasn't already been commented on by dozens of editors. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But just because it happens in the U.S. doesn't mean it has free reign to be posted on Main Page. That's just a strawman – no one has said anything of the sort. I (and others, like Sideswipe9th) have given quantifiable proof of how this isn't US-internal. And even then: Arguments about a story relating to a particular geographic region, country, ethnicity, people group, etc. are generally seen as unhelpful. Almost all news is of greater interest to a particular place and/or group of people than to the world at large, and arguing that something should or should not be posted, solely because of where the event happened, or who might be "interested" in it because of its location, are not usually met with concurrence from the community. DecafPotato (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Considering that SVB's total assets is twice thrice Serbia's GDP, it really is comparing watermelons to cherries to say that this is US centrism. We wouldn't post an Argentinian debt default, either, but a US debt default is an entirely different story. Juxlos (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It remains an irrelevant bank beyond the United States. That's not strictly true. Northern Ireland (where I live) gets a lot of investment and interest from Silicon Valley based companies. There's already talks within our local tech community of emergency meetings being called by local team/branch leaders due to the secondary impacts this is expected to have on access to investment capital. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please abstain from voicing opinions on the topic you do not know anything about. Wikipedia will be better for it. Synotia (moan) 17:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted I see enough support to post. Opposition is setting unnecessarily high bars for what would ever get posted here. The SVB article is significantly improved from where it was earlier today and the new article on the event is getting into decent shape too. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    What about the image? Crusader1096 (message) 01:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support while this bank might not be the biggest in the US, its collapse is as others have said the second largest in US history. It's also going to have a disproportionately large effect on Silicon Valley businesses, with companies like Roku having lodged substantial amounts of their capital into it, and many startups being placed into precarious positions because of it. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Per above - User:Editor 5426387 (Talk) 00:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Curbon7, keep the $5 in mind! Tails Wx 01:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support – per above. DecafPotato (talk) 01:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support This bank's collapse will cause ripple effects throughout California, especially Silicon Valley, and may reverberate across the financial world. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post posting support: per the Financial Times, "it is by far the biggest bank failure since the global financial crisis". Juxlos (talk) 02:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hatting WP:NOTFORUM and WP:NOTCRYSTAL content
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  • Support. There should be an ongoing news item here about the inflation problem and the tightening by the FED. The cause of the collapse of the bank is the higher interest rates that the markets have not have to deal with for a decade. So, we should expect a lot more failures, not just banks whose bond holding have become worthless collateral, but many other companies will now have become zombie companies that cannot survive at 6 percent interest rates for long. Many trillions of dollars of corporate debt is going to roll over to the much higher interest rates. This will cause a recession, it is debatable how bad this will be, but one thing is certain: the stock market will tank because it has hardly factored in any of the effects of the much higher interest rates. The stock market may lose 2/3 of its value, even in a soft-landing scenario because of inflated earnings estimates. The S&P500 could sink below 1500 and take more than a decade to climb back above 4000. Count Iblis (talk) 05:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    ITN does not post on expectations. If and when the crisis begins, it should be posted, but WP:CRYSTAL applies otherwise and Wikipedia is not /r/WallStreetBets. Juxlos (talk) 10:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support - This is a major matter, and deserves the attention it's getting. Yes, in some areas (eg changes of government) we treat all sovereign states fairly equally in principle. But in many others, the situation on the ground directly affects the degree of focus that events receive. The USA's financial sector is huge, and the failure of a major specialist lender within it has immediate widespread consequences. Some kinds of story out of a nation the size of the USA become routine which wouldn't in other areas; but equally, the USA is capable of producing stories of certain kinds that many other countries don't. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) Xi Jinping re-elected[edit]

Consensus will likely not develop given 7 de facto opposes (counting Modest Genius) within the first 24 hours, 6 of which were in principle, and the duplication with the leader election. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:33, 11 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Nominator's comments: Chinese leader re-elected for 3rd term. User:Editor 5426387 (message) 02:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Article is too short. Needs expansion. Fix that problem, and you'll have something to post. --Jayron32 15:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Article isn't there, but this is highly notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: didn't we post this a few months ago, when the Communist Party granted him another term as leader? This is just confirming the same decision. Modest Genius talk 15:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We did, and I supported that decision. I therefore oppose this as needless duplication. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose again, I agree with Modest Genius, I thought we already nominated this? TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per all of the above. Not only that the target article is still marked as a stub, but also because this has already been effectively posted a few months ago. Vida0007 (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • 'Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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